phatmaniac Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 I GOT SCAMMED BY A CHEATHey guys I want to pick your ideas on this. I have been royally screwed by this seller on Fiverr. He was giving me 2 unique articles for 5$. The articles were excellent- I had no suspicion as he was a relatively new seller. I checked copyscape which said its unique- great kept on reordering to about 600$ worth over 2-3 months. I tried to respin one of those articles and found out this from their customer supportif you were paying a writer for this article, that writer is scamming you by promising you a unique article and instead is copying someone else’s article and switching all of the characters to Russian and Greek characters that look like regular alphabet characters.I have done enough checks to verify this is true.eg- http://asciivalue.com/My question is I know you have like a couple of weeks after an order is completed to be paid back but what about this? I was never given what was advertised? I have opened a ticket this might take a while to get answered just wanted to hear from you guys here first on similar experiences and what was the outcome. I am not worried about a good lot of those transactions as they were through Paypal( using Credit Card) but the other part is services under paypals agreement which wouldnt cover me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastcopywriter Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 Once an order is delivered, it will be marked as complete in 3-days. You say his articles passed copyscape, so how could he have cheated? Also, how do you know it was Russian or Greek? Those languages have entirely different alphabets, Russian is in Cyrillic, you have to be a Russian to be able to read that. They don’t use the Latin alphabet we’re used to.You could write to customer service, but again, you say you got scammed and yet you bought articles from him from him, $600! Seems to me very unfair to give someone $600 and then call him a cheat.Just don’t hire him anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagcel Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 They are not “russian or greek”. They are unicode ascii characters that look like normal letters. So when he does a match through copyscape, all the vowels are replaced by VERY similar symbols, which means copyscape will get a 0 match, since no words actually match. 1m4g1n3 4ll 7h3s3 numb3rs l00k l1k3 l3773rs, That’s how copyscape sees it. Pretty clever on the scammer’s part. Not only that, it has zero seo value, as the words aren’t machine readable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmaki Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I don’t really understand the complaint… fastseowriter is correct–there are very few chars in the Greek alphabet that look like regular latin letters. Here’s a κωικ ΣελεκτιοΝ…LATIN–GRAa – ΑαBb–Ββ (although this is more a v sound)Nn–ΝνOo–Οο (that works!)Yy–ΥυKk–ΚκHh–ΗηPp–Ρρ (technically Ππ)Mm–ΜμXx–ΧχZz–ΖζTt–ΤτEe–ΕεI mean, I wouldn’t even need some machine to point out those discrepancies. I’m not as familiar with Cyrillic, but that has its own typography even for familiar letters.Assuming you got a regular English article, why not just quickly retype one out normally then put it through Copyscape? Also, $600 before checking all this? Maybe your writer just has some weird keyboard fetish going on, but then again, I don’t know the whole story here. Also, bear in mind that you can ‘write’ on some tablets, but the input may use some techno doo-dah to put it into type.All in all, did you communicate with the seller or are you just mad because you can’t respin these articles super-fast? Because for whatever reason this happened, it seems like an awful lot of work to ‘cheat’ you. I’m on the fence here until I have more details.(PS NO I DO NOT ACCEPT GREEK WRITING GIGS, MY GRAMMAR IS A HORRIFIC MESS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitehatseo10 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Waw… I had a similar experience with an indian seller, but until now I never understood why his articles can’t be spinned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest robinhawaii Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 You can copy and paste different sections of his work into Google Search, just put it in quotation marks. If you start finding perfect hits, then you have proof he plagiarized the work, and show that to customer service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belengarcia Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 That’s a new (maybe not that new) trend among article scammers.The explanation is quite simple. When you copy-paste, you are not really copy-pasting the letters, but their representation based in certain encoding system.It’s possible to choose, for example, a Greek or Russian encoding, but write the text using our regular characters (both Russian and Greek include them), so you can see “hello” and you don’t notice that the encoding is Russian. But, if you copy-paste that “hello” in a copyscape app that word is different from “hello” written with our encoding. That’s perfect for scammers. They just copy a random article from the Internet, paste it into an editor, change the encoding, and for a human eye the article is the same, but for a machine, the text is a different one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmaki Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Have to say, that’s a new one with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magy1808 Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I just don t understand why would someone go trough so much bother…isn t is easier to just write an article? 😑 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkerogazov Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 It is if you can write articles, but it is also easy to do chtrl+H and then put a and replace it with а < this one is Russian, but looks exactly the same as English. It’s a bit harder with Greek, but there are plenty of characters in Russian that look like English 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmaki Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 ОК, товарищ! That capital K is gnarly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fastcopywriter Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 That’s very scary, I had no idea there were scams like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwillhookuup Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 wow…damn…I hope you get compensation back or at least get that person banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graphicempire Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Yes this is unique Encoding. There are so many free websites out there you can simply copy any article from ezinearticle and just paste it to these websites, then press spin. Even the original creator was not able to recognize through google search or copyscape. This is pure encoding, text will be converted to codes and worst result is that its 0 seo value. But you can recognize these encoding easily, when you asked any seller to deliver the file using word document all text will be highlighted with red underline, because its not text. I don’t think so that you will get back all your money that you spend, might be the seller will be banned from fiverr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesbulls Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 So, what I hear you saying is that you went from $5 for two articles to $600 for a whole bunch more? That’s a little like holding hands on the first date and then starring next to Ron Jeremy on the second date. Your mistake here is that you put your $600 egg in one basket. If you had parceled this out as six $100 eggs, you would have noticed the encoding much sooner and be facing less liability now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akamar Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Not if you have no knack for actually writing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
misscrystal Posted October 31, 2015 Share Posted October 31, 2015 Nice use of simile there james! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saltairecleanin Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Here is an example of a document that I received from a seller that encoded the project I purchased. The article passed copyscape 100% but when I did a keyword check, It showed the encoded characters. I then went to my text editor and changed the font to “kalinga” (an open type font) and, as you can see, revealed the encoding.I hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madein5rr Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 I’m a native Russian speaker.There are similar symbols in both languages.English - RussianAa - АаBb - ВвCc - СсDd - no matchEe - ЕеFf - no matchGg - no matchHh - НнIi - Іі (not Russian, but Ukrainian)Jj - no matchKk - КкLl - no matchMm - МмNn - no match (just similar small п)Oo - ОоPp - РрQq - no matchRr - no match (just similar small г)Ss - no matchTt - ТтUu - no matchVv - no matchWw - no matchXx - ХхYy - УуZz - no match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mary19791 Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I am a writer but I have hired writers in the past for large projects. I have never trusted copyscape by itself to check work because of this reason. If you quote a paragraph or two from each article and put it into google search it will be more effective than copyscape as some of the other people have said above. That really sucks though that you have $600 worth of useless articles. I can’t imagine spending that much on something I could not even use. Feel for you. 😦 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewriterfiver Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 As messed up as this is, the ingenuity of it all has me reeling. Exactly how far will scamming evolve in the future?As for OP, I really am sorry to hear about this. I wish there was a way to really get the word out on techniques like these and prevent others from falling victim to it. Hopefully, you can get some sort of reimbursement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dianeherneyvo Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 My goodness! Thank you for posting this information. The best way to help at this point, is to inform others. If you had suffered in silence then the scam will continue unabated. A lot of good will come from this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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