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The $5 composers! Really?

If you are a pro seller, you should charge any amount of money you need to deliver a professional work and more. I’d prefer having a well paid order here and there, than lots of underpaid orders.

Quality over quantity, if other sellers have lots of orders but unsatisfied customers or cheap work, it’s not the ideal. Rest assured that a client who knows to value your work will come soon or late.

I have very low prices but it’s because I’m a new seller and a beginner in editing. I should set my prices higher because some people in my categories start at 50$, but I can’t compete with their seller rating yet. Sadly I have to rely on having lower prices than the competition, and I don’t recommend it because you get way too many problematic, entitled customers.

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oof that’s me lol

Personally, I charge $5 because I’m not a professional by any means - merely a student, and this is for me, a way to challenge myself, learn more, share music, and help others in the process but I don’t want to charge too high because if I’m not sure if I’m not sure how “qualified” I am. I don’t want to oversell. My only edge would be the fact that I’m affordable and that I can get the job done relatively well.

That said, I’m also not very familiar with the average and reasonable price point for people my level selling their services (despite the research I’ve tried to do), so I’m starting small and as I get more familiar and better, I’ll (maybe) raise my price a bit.

I’m currently test-running my value, so to speak, so I start with the smallest price and see how sustainable it is and if other people might think I’m worth more.

That’s my reasoning – I do think that pro sellers also have a place here. People know that they will get what they pay for, so they’ll probably pick higher rated or more expensive sellers if they’re looking for a very professional job done, and they’ll pick cheaper options if they’re budget isn’t as large but they can’t do it themselves.
(Note that I don’t think that just because a service is cheap, the seller is automatically not as good or professional. Perhaps it, like I said earlier, could be them not being able to value themselves properly, or perhaps a cheaper price is their only edge. But I’ve seen good sellers for cheap prices)

You’re right, though - when it comes to our time, we shouldn’t undersell. But I don’t want to “oversell” when it comes to my qualifications as well.

Just the two-cents of Fiverr noob, hopefully you get what I’m saying haha XD

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I will say take care.

If you are $5 because you know you are selling garbage, it is easy to think that is between you, your customers, and your God.

But it is also between you and other sellers who are working to be professional and be paid as such. Sellers selling for $5 makes people think it can (and therefore should) be done. Bargain basement sellers affect everyone negatively. Especially when they write Pro on their product like it is a real Ferrari for $5 as buyers then see pro everywhere and can’t tell why the prices are not the same. Hans Zimmer, why is he not $5, the utter, utter, scumbaggery of him for ripping everyone off. I better write and tell him to fix his game. Wrong.

It is also between you and your future. You start out selling at $5 (a stupid price) so how do you transition to $50, $500, $5,000? You really can’t very well. If you start where you should at say $150 then $200 is not a great jump. Sure, maybe do a student collab for $0 but that is still a value exchange. If you value your time so low, how do you ever value it properly - fairly? How will anyone else?

I have not looked at you Gig, I have only responded based on what you wrote. You might be doing great work. You are however pricing destructively for all (incl customers who are encouraged to think all things are the same).

:slight_smile:

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Take a chance. It’s only 5$. Maybe really good young composer trying to get some reviews to get started on this platform. If one doesn’t have review it’s not even possible be in first 20 pages of search results. Fiverr is that place. For a professional composers it’s good too :slight_smile: why ? Because most of them really lowers the expectations of quality, maybe teach them spend some money on things.

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I don’t think I’m selling garbage, but I also don’t think I’m at the level of Hans Zimmer, and made sure to tell any potential customers that. I understand your points, that’s true. Perhaps I should reprice some stuff…xD

Thank you for your thoughts and comments!

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I disagree, because i am new on fiverr, i compose orchestra for somebodys music, i dont charge $5 but $10 in the basic package, and i will not charge $50 in the basic package because i do not have ratings yet and somebody will not order a service from me, cause that, freelancers must be constantly improving their gigs and profiles.
You can imagine along with me that, some buyers will not buy something cheap from a new seller, unless you have at least one 5.0 star rating to be considered a trustful seller by buyers.

You have consider everything to analise something, for example, but reality still…
I am from a third world country, and $5 is kind a good money here.
A new seller have to low your offer, because a buyer will not buy something from a non rating new seller, if the seller has a 5.0 rating at least. Of course, some buyer will buy something from a new seller, i am not generalizing that, but you must have a good reputation after all.
So then, not always a composer is charging $5 because he is does not know the time which takes to compose something and his hard work.

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But that’s what I said, either a seller is from a third world country (where cost of living is lower) or pricing themselves lower in order to get that first 5* rating.

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Purely from the perspective of music, there’s not a single environment in which this battle doesn’t rage.

In my moments of madness, tearing through my memories, high marks, woe is me’s and lost opportunities - it’s easy to blame low balling, pseudo musicians. It happens in every corner of the in person and online musical world. Studios, session players, live performers, teachers, agents, residency gigs, showrooms, road work… on and on…

Firstly, to be upset with price slashing we have to ask, “but isn’t the point that they aren’t worth a professional sum?”

Regardless of this falsified idea that subjectivity can validate all art (especially art that isn’t labored for), the truth is that someone who is just learning to drag and drop sounds doesn’t deserve the same monetary compensation as someone who delivers instrumentally crafted, expert musicianship.

Just as someone with an iPhone doesn’t deserve a pro photographers salary to shoot your wedding.

On the other hand … it literally requires someone’s spot to teach another musician. For every open mic night, jam session and “for the door” band in the world, some venue was given free entertainment and some career musician lost another room and a chance to feed their family. Yet, it takes these very endeavors to create a qualified artist. People have to start somewhere. Sometimes, a person’s starting point comes at the expense of a qualified players spot.

I learned my craft as a child performer. In front of records and tapes. In front of crowds on the road. I cut my teeth by studying, working with pros and playing five nights a week. From one point of view, this is right and exactly the way it works. From another point of view, I was some kid… easily not worthy of taking work away from much more seasoned, much better musicians than I was at eleven.

I’m torn. From one perspective you shouldn’t even be in a market place until you’ve actually learned your standards, understand the basic functionality of the work and can deduce the fundamentals of all eras into patterns.

But In another light, how can one throw themselves into the realm of professionalism without drenching themself in the job? Many aspects of music don’t have a scholastic route. This is especially true for pro songwriting, pro road work and career Freelance musicianship.

And to be honest, the vast majority of gifted players I’ve ever worked with in the studio or on the road were absolutely unschooled (we use a road variation of theory that combines numbers, chords, modes and charts). The vast majority of Master degree musicians I’ve ever performed with were soulless. It requires a hybrid. The school is “to slip in, listen to your elders, develop your ear and get to work.”

All this against a backdrop of today’s flippant attitude. We live in a world where all music has the humanity of a bubblegum commercial. Except those were catchy. Some trivia night emcee is worth as much as a jazz trio. Drum machines are viewed with the same prestige as drummers.

Who can account for the worth of anything musically today without hosting a purely philosophical conversation?

Thing is… it’s never been any different.

To some degree this market place serves as an open mic for some folks. It’s on the job learning for young musicians who can’t get bar gigs because they’d rather have trivia night. It’s another place where the fee wars rage on.

It’s both things.

No. Musicians and the like shouldn’t decimate the market value.
On the other hand, No, they aren’t worth more than they’re asking anyway.

I’m not defending it. I’m not advocating for unionization either. I’m recognizing that it sucks and that it’s part of the growing process that leads professionals to expand into eventual living wages (whilst simultaneously harming those wages).

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You assume that these things have not already been considered. Maybe you are letting your fear guide you, rather than what will help you long-term. I wrote on this already above.

If you dug up a diamond that is worth $10,000, how much would you sell it for? The sane answer is ~$10,000. Would you sell it for $5 because you have never sold a diamond before? You may end up with that outcome, but only because you let some unscrupulous dealer tell you lies.

@damooch916 has interesting points. I have no issue at all with beginners. I often reach out to help them, as I am here - an attitude rarely returned I will say :frowning:

If some kid arrives and lands a film layering loops, good on him (her/it - not discussing gender). The moment they claim to be delivering the same (or better) quality as me for the $5 they stupidly charged, I am not impressed. I don’t claim to be Zimmer. Matter of fact I lose work because I decline to do clone work from people who want Zimmer but are unwilling to a) pay, b) be open to what I could really do for them.

It is that narrow-mindedness that I want to see addressed. It is hard to do that with filmmakers, but if musicians (of any stripe) keep perpetuating the mindsets that we have had over the last 20-30 years, it cannot do much more than get worse and the whole business will be nothing but Artgrope, Spotifry and $5 for 10 hours work from people too silly to realize they are shanking themselves.

:slight_smile:

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So, now that I’ve been on here as a pro seller for a few weeks, I’m really interested to hear from other pro sellers in the same field.

I was accepted as a pro seller (without Fiverr reviews) on Fiverr based upon my ‘real’ work portfolio but I’ve not had a single enquiry, job or anything on this forum. Compared to other “competitive” platforms where I’m seeing a few genuine requests / enquiries on a daily basis, Fiverr seems completely dead when it comes to pro customers looking for pro sellers in Music…or may be it’s just me :slight_smile:

I’d love to know how many enquiries other music pro sellers genuinely get on Fiverr at professional rates.

I’ve noticed that most pro competitors don’t seem to be increasing in number of reviews, and one has had a job pending for three weeks - which looks to me like some pro sellers are playing the game to look busy. Or may be they genuinely are busy on here?! Of course if you transfer from non-pro to pro, you can take a number of your reviews with you - but that doesn’t necessarily transfer into fresh work on the platform.

It all seems quite bizarre compared to the real world of music!

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Good points, I agree.
Personally, I’m just a random kid from a 3rd world country, and $5 is actually a decent amount of money for me.

NEVER settle for mediocrity.

GG

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YAS!

It’s just my starting point to test my skills, so $5 suits my needs fine. I’ve raised some to $10, which is pretty a large amount of money for me.

See it this way. If you found a diamond in the mud in the poorest of African nations and you know that particular size and quality of diamond sells internationally for $10,000, what do you offer it for sale for? Sanity says about $10,000.

Maybe you allow for the costs for some DeBeers guy to drive over to get it from you but that is only a few hundred dollars, not $9,995 in petrol for a sale price of $5.

Putting your $10,000 diamond on the market for $5 because you have not sold diamonds before and want to be seen as a Playa is totally mental. If you want to be seen as a professional in the diamond game, you sell for as close to real market value as possible. Otherwise you say that you are a chump.

Even if your diamonds are a bit brown and have inclusions, you still work out their real value and trade at that or you are simply being a sucker for some kind of nasty numpty and no one decent will work with you.

The reason I choose diamonds is because they are an international trade. They are valued internationally, as in, it matters not where the diamond was found, how, or by whom, it is the quality of the rock itself that determines its value to the market. Music is exactly the same. White people, black people, brown and yellow people can all make equally great music.

  • If your music is cracked and broken, $5 may be its true value. Accept that and be that kind of composer - call it Retrowave :open_mouth:
  • If your music is quality, no matter how unique, price in a way that makes it clear that it is real work.

Sure those nasty numpties will come tell you all their machete mania stories to make you bend to their nasty numpty ways but remember good traders never deal with bad traders as they are too dangerous and unreliable.

:slight_smile:

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I can’t imagine being up at 1 in the morning stressing over the due date for a song I was payed only 5 dollars to get completed by the end of the week. Seriously producers/composers, stop underselling yourself, it’s how you get taken advantage of.

There is still a possibility to sell quality songs at $5, with a Royalty-free non-exclusive license, the same song is sold several times. In 6 months, there are certain pieces that I have sold 20 times already! This is clearly said to the buyer, not all of them need exclusive pieces.